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		<title>By: An Invitational Politics &#124; lifeasmission</title>
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		<title>By: Stewart</title>
		<link>http://lifeasmission.com/blog/2008/11/why-im-not-voting/comment-page-1/#comment-5221</link>
		<dc:creator>Stewart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:26:12 +0000</pubDate>
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JR, 
Please know that my reference to &#8220;celebrating Halloween&#8221; had nothing to do with your post regarding your small group and the event with the international students. This is a conviction of mine. I have to say that I didn&#8217;t come to this conviction until I started raising children and did not want to create any confusion within their minds. I&#8217;m sure someone could argue about this, but I&#8217;m not interested in trying to be right on this. (I don&#8217;t know if you&#8217;ve ever heard the term &#8220;crawfishin&#8217;&#8221;, but I think I&#8217;m doing it.) 
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This was the first time I ever responded to anything that you have written. We have only talked a few times and the day we had lunch was a difficult day at best for me. I can&#8217;t even remember what we talked about because my mind was elsewhere. Anyway, what I am trying to say is that because we are not very familiar with each other, my posted comment may have come across as something personal. Please know that it was not. My final statements about being misguided were meant to be sarcastic, as was most of what I wrote, but I can see how they could easily be taken as condescending. My sincerest apologies!! As I stated in the final paragraph, your comments provoked thoughts in me that I wanted to share. They were not intended to be personal. I also was not trying to paint anything as black or white. I could not agree more with Joshua&#8217;s statements regarding painting things as black and white, and listening to Holy Spirit. Somehow that&#8217;s where I was going&#8230;maybe my route was not clear. The whole notion of WWJD can take us down a strange path. But it can be a useful tool as well at times. If nothing else, it will make us think about what we do. You described me to a tee with &#8230;&#8220;I will be the first to admit that much of my weekly routine does not fit that description and it scares me to think of the extent to which that doesn&#8217;t bother me.&#8221; 
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Yes Joshua, I believe we are saying the same thing&#8230;however you were considerably more eloquent. Your summation to my sarcasm was right on. Thanks. 
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I hope we can still be friends J 
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JR,</p>
<p>Please know that my reference to &ldquo;celebrating Halloween&rdquo; had nothing to do with your post regarding your small group and the event with the international students. This is a conviction of mine. I have to say that I didn&rsquo;t come to this conviction until I started raising children and did not want to create any confusion within their minds. I&rsquo;m sure someone could argue about this, but I&rsquo;m not interested in trying to be right on this. (I don&rsquo;t know if you&rsquo;ve ever heard the term &ldquo;crawfishin&rsquo;&rdquo;, but I think I&rsquo;m doing it.)</p>
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<p>This was the first time I ever responded to anything that you have written. We have only talked a few times and the day we had lunch was a difficult day at best for me. I can&rsquo;t even remember what we talked about because my mind was elsewhere. Anyway, what I am trying to say is that because we are not very familiar with each other, my posted comment may have come across as something personal. Please know that it was not. My final statements about being misguided were meant to be sarcastic, as was most of what I wrote, but I can see how they could easily be taken as condescending. My sincerest apologies!! As I stated in the final paragraph, your comments provoked thoughts in me that I wanted to share. They were not intended to be personal. I also was not trying to paint anything as black or white. I could not agree more with Joshua&rsquo;s statements regarding painting things as black and white, and listening to Holy Spirit. Somehow that&rsquo;s where I was going&hellip;maybe my route was not clear. The whole notion of WWJD can take us down a strange path. But it can be a useful tool as well at times. If nothing else, it will make us think about what we do. You described me to a tee with &hellip;&ldquo;I will be the first to admit that much of my weekly routine does not fit that description and it scares me to think of the extent to which that doesn&rsquo;t bother me.&rdquo;</p>
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<p>Yes Joshua, I believe we are saying the same thing&hellip;however you were considerably more eloquent. Your summation to my sarcasm was right on. Thanks.</p>
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<p>I hope we can still be friends J</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua</title>
		<link>http://lifeasmission.com/blog/2008/11/why-im-not-voting/comment-page-1/#comment-5220</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 21:12:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: JR Rozko</title>
		<link>http://lifeasmission.com/blog/2008/11/why-im-not-voting/comment-page-1/#comment-5219</link>
		<dc:creator>JR Rozko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not sure why, but I didn&#039;t get an email notifying me of your comments Stewart and Sarah - just Josh&#039;s most recent one.

Stewart, I did address your concern about taking the WWJD thing too far in &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-5185&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this comment&lt;/a&gt;.  It is precisely when we go beyond what Jesus did and did not do in Scripture that we enter into the realm of seeking to follow the Spirit of God.  I did my best to look at how Jesus lived his life in the political climate of his day and then pray that God would help me to act in accordance with that same Spirit.  Also see &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-5212&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;my response to Laurie&lt;/a&gt; where I talked about seeking to do all that we do &quot;in faith.&quot;  I would say that we would all do well to reflect on just how much of what we do actually flows out of the faith we profess in the God of the Bible.  I will be the first to admit that much of my weekly routine does not fit that description and it scares me to think of the extent to which that doesn&#039;t bother me.  I have a long way to go in those terms.  

I did also want to make 1 quick note on the Halloween reference.  I am not sure if that was a general thought or one that related specifically to my post on my small group hosting a Halloween Party, but in either case I would point out that Jesus was quite fond of taking the customs of his day and flipping them on their head which is precisely what my friends and I did - and what many other followers of Jesus do.  In no way did we celebrate evil or death.  Rather, we sought to redeem the day my providing a life-giving atmosphere of hospitality, openness, and sharing.  I am proud of my friends and any other beleivers that follow Jesus in this redemptive practice.

Thanks for the other comments. Josh, hope I didn&#039;t overstep the bounds of infringing on your intellectual property by changing the html tags to strike through &quot;College&quot; in your comment :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure why, but I didn&#8217;t get an email notifying me of your comments Stewart and Sarah &#8211; just Josh&#8217;s most recent one.</p>
<p>Stewart, I did address your concern about taking the WWJD thing too far in <a href="#comment-5185" rel="nofollow">this comment</a>.  It is precisely when we go beyond what Jesus did and did not do in Scripture that we enter into the realm of seeking to follow the Spirit of God.  I did my best to look at how Jesus lived his life in the political climate of his day and then pray that God would help me to act in accordance with that same Spirit.  Also see <a href="#comment-5212" rel="nofollow">my response to Laurie</a> where I talked about seeking to do all that we do &#8220;in faith.&#8221;  I would say that we would all do well to reflect on just how much of what we do actually flows out of the faith we profess in the God of the Bible.  I will be the first to admit that much of my weekly routine does not fit that description and it scares me to think of the extent to which that doesn&#8217;t bother me.  I have a long way to go in those terms.  </p>
<p>I did also want to make 1 quick note on the Halloween reference.  I am not sure if that was a general thought or one that related specifically to my post on my small group hosting a Halloween Party, but in either case I would point out that Jesus was quite fond of taking the customs of his day and flipping them on their head which is precisely what my friends and I did &#8211; and what many other followers of Jesus do.  In no way did we celebrate evil or death.  Rather, we sought to redeem the day my providing a life-giving atmosphere of hospitality, openness, and sharing.  I am proud of my friends and any other beleivers that follow Jesus in this redemptive practice.</p>
<p>Thanks for the other comments. Josh, hope I didn&#8217;t overstep the bounds of infringing on your intellectual property by changing the html tags to strike through &#8220;College&#8221; in your comment <img src='http://lifeasmission.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Joshua</title>
		<link>http://lifeasmission.com/blog/2008/11/why-im-not-voting/comment-page-1/#comment-5218</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also want to say that I think my comment was pretty much a summation of Stewarts comment.  It appears as though we were really saying something very close to the same thing.</description>
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		<title>By: Joshua</title>
		<link>http://lifeasmission.com/blog/2008/11/why-im-not-voting/comment-page-1/#comment-5216</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 18:41:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well thank you very much Sarah, but I have to be honest, that&#039;s basically just a rewording of the ideas I&#039;ve been wrestling with from John Geib, a professor of mine from Malone &lt;strike&gt;College&lt;/strike&gt; University.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well thank you very much Sarah, but I have to be honest, that&#8217;s basically just a rewording of the ideas I&#8217;ve been wrestling with from John Geib, a professor of mine from Malone <strike>College</strike> University.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua</title>
		<link>http://lifeasmission.com/blog/2008/11/why-im-not-voting/comment-page-1/#comment-5214</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 06:54:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow.  What a lot of comments on this.  I&#039;m somewhat surprised that someone saying &quot;This is what I think, but I don&#039;t think anyone else has to agree with me&quot; has illicited such a great discussion.

On one hand, I don&#039;t think that JR&#039;s entire argument is summed up in the WWJD discussion.  It&#039;s part of his argument, but the whole of his argument seems to be more centered around the fact that it was a personal conviction that he tried to honor.  So far, no one has had a problem with that.

I too think that it is problematic when we begin to extend the and solidify the boundaries between the sacred and the profane.  Going to church was sacred, now it&#039;s profane.  Going to the voting booth was sacred, now it&#039;s profane.  Going to the movies was profane, now its... well I guess that one&#039;s up in the air.  Dancing, Card playing, rock music... it goes on.

If you ask me, things in themselves are not sacred nor profane.  It is our response to those things, does our experience with that thing drive us closer to God or pull us further from it?  This is the voice we need to listen to.  If we start dumping our black and white paint on everything, the whole world will be gray and no one will know what to do.  Instead, we should listen to that voice in our lives that is the Holy Spirit saying &quot;walk with me.&quot;  By doing this, we will find ourselves in the sacred.

And honestly, how dare we begin to assume that we might know what Jesus would do if he were here?  I like to think that if Jesus were here he would do some of the things that I do, (like pray and eat) and he would do some of the things that I am too cowardly or comfortable to do (like talk to that guy, or stop drinking coffee at all), but I don&#039;t know.  My God is a pretty big thing, and I&#039;m not going to pretend to have the slightest idea what he might do were he to show up walking around again.  Because I don&#039;t pretend to know what he would do on the sidewalk, I&#039;ll try instead to listen to him as he stirs inside of me.  And a lot of the time, I&#039;ll miss.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.  What a lot of comments on this.  I&#8217;m somewhat surprised that someone saying &#8220;This is what I think, but I don&#8217;t think anyone else has to agree with me&#8221; has illicited such a great discussion.</p>
<p>On one hand, I don&#8217;t think that JR&#8217;s entire argument is summed up in the WWJD discussion.  It&#8217;s part of his argument, but the whole of his argument seems to be more centered around the fact that it was a personal conviction that he tried to honor.  So far, no one has had a problem with that.</p>
<p>I too think that it is problematic when we begin to extend the and solidify the boundaries between the sacred and the profane.  Going to church was sacred, now it&#8217;s profane.  Going to the voting booth was sacred, now it&#8217;s profane.  Going to the movies was profane, now its&#8230; well I guess that one&#8217;s up in the air.  Dancing, Card playing, rock music&#8230; it goes on.</p>
<p>If you ask me, things in themselves are not sacred nor profane.  It is our response to those things, does our experience with that thing drive us closer to God or pull us further from it?  This is the voice we need to listen to.  If we start dumping our black and white paint on everything, the whole world will be gray and no one will know what to do.  Instead, we should listen to that voice in our lives that is the Holy Spirit saying &#8220;walk with me.&#8221;  By doing this, we will find ourselves in the sacred.</p>
<p>And honestly, how dare we begin to assume that we might know what Jesus would do if he were here?  I like to think that if Jesus were here he would do some of the things that I do, (like pray and eat) and he would do some of the things that I am too cowardly or comfortable to do (like talk to that guy, or stop drinking coffee at all), but I don&#8217;t know.  My God is a pretty big thing, and I&#8217;m not going to pretend to have the slightest idea what he might do were he to show up walking around again.  Because I don&#8217;t pretend to know what he would do on the sidewalk, I&#8217;ll try instead to listen to him as he stirs inside of me.  And a lot of the time, I&#8217;ll miss.</p>
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		<title>By: Stewart</title>
		<link>http://lifeasmission.com/blog/2008/11/why-im-not-voting/comment-page-1/#comment-5213</link>
		<dc:creator>Stewart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 05:45:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve quickly skimmed over the text of the 30+ comments above. I haven&#039;t read them all in detail which means that what I&#039;m about to say may have already been noted in some fashion previously. If so, and this come across as repetitive, my apologies. However, based on your statement &quot;But, for the life of me, when I try to envision Jesus living here and now, I just can’t see him walking into an election booth&quot;, do you consider WWJD in everything you do? I&#039;m sure you, like all of us, would like to say you do. But truth be told, we don&#039;t. 
 
Tell me, would Jesus visit Starbuck&#039;s with the frequency that many Christians do? For that matter would he go at all? Wouldn’t that be capitulating to consumerism? 
 
Would Jesus go to a movie? Would he be concerned over what it was rated? Would he laugh at the “off-color” jokes and statements? What if you were sitting with Him? Would you laugh?
What about sporting events? Would he go? Would he pay the high price of a ticket to get into a football game? If he did, whose side would he sit on? Would that mean the other side is “the Goats”? Would he be hurt at how Christians can be so boisterous and demonstrative for a team named after something worldly and show up to corporate worship and can’t wait till the worship leader allows them to sit down? Why aren’t we more excited in corporate worship? Would this be capitulating to entertainment(ism)?  (sorry, that’s the best I could come up with)
 
Would Jesus use the internet? Could you see him sitting at a computer for hours writing, responding, and even arguing over whether it’s the “Old Testament” or the “First Testament”? Would he really care? Would He spend energy trying to prove His point of view and thereby proving the rest of us wrong? (Of course He would always win). I can’t remember one time in Scripture where it appeared he argued with anyone. He stated the truth in such a way the no one could argue. I think that if someone came to Him asking if it should be “Old” or “First”, he would either laugh at the trivialness of the issue or cry at the notion that we have reduced scripture to these types of discussions. Would this be capitulating to intellectualism? 
 
If Jesus were here today, would he go to Church? Which one? (This brings up a pet-peeve of mine: So many people today, including authors, songwriter, speakers, and the such, are beating up the church like a ground-and-pound guy in the UFC. [yes, you’re right, I shouldn’t know what that is]. I’ve always understood that when Jesus was around, he went to the Temple regularly. He did speak out against the Jewish leaders of the day, but I don’t remember Him speaking badly to the people – the body. Yet today, there are Christians who speak and write so negatively about the Body of Christ. Why? What arrogance to speak out against His Bride just for the sake of being provocative!) If Jesus decided to go to Church, would he be capitulating to the religiosity of the day by choosing one church over another?
 
Personally, I can’t imagine Jesus doing any to these things. Except for maybe going to church. He would probably do that, but mess all of us Protestants up and go to a Catholic church. (Now that sounds like Jesus.) So is it wrong for Christians to do any of these things? 
(And can someone please explain to me how in the world we can justify celebrating Halloween in any fashion? Why would Christians celebrate something that symbolizes evil and death? I’m sincerely puzzled by this!) Are we giving ourselves over to the world and it’s systems and powers by participating in them? In some ways we probably are. 
 
Now I know that in the context of this last weeks elections and the notion of what is right for Christians to do related to that, the above activities may not be good comparisons. I don’t think you are trying to say that if a Christian decides to vote, and can do so in faith, that they are wrong for doing so. I also don’t believe you are saying that all Christians should not vote. This is a personal conviction of conscience for you. I appreciate that, no matter how misguided I may think it is. Your statements just provoked some thoughts in me that I wanted to share. I’d be interested to hear how misguided may think they are. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve quickly skimmed over the text of the 30+ comments above. I haven&#8217;t read them all in detail which means that what I&#8217;m about to say may have already been noted in some fashion previously. If so, and this come across as repetitive, my apologies. However, based on your statement &#8220;But, for the life of me, when I try to envision Jesus living here and now, I just can’t see him walking into an election booth&#8221;, do you consider WWJD in everything you do? I&#8217;m sure you, like all of us, would like to say you do. But truth be told, we don&#8217;t.<br />
 <br />
Tell me, would Jesus visit Starbuck&#8217;s with the frequency that many Christians do? For that matter would he go at all? Wouldn’t that be capitulating to consumerism?<br />
 <br />
Would Jesus go to a movie? Would he be concerned over what it was rated? Would he laugh at the “off-color” jokes and statements? What if you were sitting with Him? Would you laugh?<br />
What about sporting events? Would he go? Would he pay the high price of a ticket to get into a football game? If he did, whose side would he sit on? Would that mean the other side is “the Goats”? Would he be hurt at how Christians can be so boisterous and demonstrative for a team named after something worldly and show up to corporate worship and can’t wait till the worship leader allows them to sit down? Why aren’t we more excited in corporate worship? Would this be capitulating to entertainment(ism)?  (sorry, that’s the best I could come up with)<br />
 <br />
Would Jesus use the internet? Could you see him sitting at a computer for hours writing, responding, and even arguing over whether it’s the “Old Testament” or the “First Testament”? Would he really care? Would He spend energy trying to prove His point of view and thereby proving the rest of us wrong? (Of course He would always win). I can’t remember one time in Scripture where it appeared he argued with anyone. He stated the truth in such a way the no one could argue. I think that if someone came to Him asking if it should be “Old” or “First”, he would either laugh at the trivialness of the issue or cry at the notion that we have reduced scripture to these types of discussions. Would this be capitulating to intellectualism?<br />
 <br />
If Jesus were here today, would he go to Church? Which one? (This brings up a pet-peeve of mine: So many people today, including authors, songwriter, speakers, and the such, are beating up the church like a ground-and-pound guy in the UFC. [yes, you’re right, I shouldn’t know what that is]. I’ve always understood that when Jesus was around, he went to the Temple regularly. He did speak out against the Jewish leaders of the day, but I don’t remember Him speaking badly to the people – the body. Yet today, there are Christians who speak and write so negatively about the Body of Christ. Why? What arrogance to speak out against His Bride just for the sake of being provocative!) If Jesus decided to go to Church, would he be capitulating to the religiosity of the day by choosing one church over another?<br />
 <br />
Personally, I can’t imagine Jesus doing any to these things. Except for maybe going to church. He would probably do that, but mess all of us Protestants up and go to a Catholic church. (Now that sounds like Jesus.) So is it wrong for Christians to do any of these things?<br />
(And can someone please explain to me how in the world we can justify celebrating Halloween in any fashion? Why would Christians celebrate something that symbolizes evil and death? I’m sincerely puzzled by this!) Are we giving ourselves over to the world and it’s systems and powers by participating in them? In some ways we probably are.<br />
 <br />
Now I know that in the context of this last weeks elections and the notion of what is right for Christians to do related to that, the above activities may not be good comparisons. I don’t think you are trying to say that if a Christian decides to vote, and can do so in faith, that they are wrong for doing so. I also don’t believe you are saying that all Christians should not vote. This is a personal conviction of conscience for you. I appreciate that, no matter how misguided I may think it is. Your statements just provoked some thoughts in me that I wanted to share. I’d be interested to hear how misguided may think they are. </p>
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		<title>By: sarah christoph</title>
		<link>http://lifeasmission.com/blog/2008/11/why-im-not-voting/comment-page-1/#comment-5215</link>
		<dc:creator>sarah christoph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 03:24:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OH WOW! - Joshua! That was the best two sentences ever... or at least really close! - &quot;If we start dumping our black and white paint on everything, the whole world will be gray and no one will know what to do. Instead, we should listen to that voice in our lives that is the Holy Spirit saying &#8220;walk with me.&#8221;&#160;&#160;again, Wow!&#160; With so many voices of so many opinions, one&#039;s best chance at living and accomplishing His mission is by listening to the voice of the Holy Spirit. If we master that (I can only imagine) how our world would transform! thanks for sharing- I&#039;m writing&#160;that down- so good Joshua! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OH WOW! &#8211; Joshua! That was the best two sentences ever&#8230; or at least really close! &#8211; &quot;If we start dumping our black and white paint on everything, the whole world will be gray and no one will know what to do. Instead, we should listen to that voice in our lives that is the Holy Spirit saying &ldquo;walk with me.&rdquo;&nbsp;&nbsp;again, Wow!&nbsp; With so many voices of so many opinions, one&#039;s best chance at living and accomplishing His mission is by listening to the voice of the Holy Spirit. If we master that (I can only imagine) how our world would transform! thanks for sharing- I&#039;m writing&nbsp;that down- so good Joshua! </p>
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		<title>By: JR Rozko</title>
		<link>http://lifeasmission.com/blog/2008/11/why-im-not-voting/comment-page-1/#comment-5212</link>
		<dc:creator>JR Rozko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 16:46:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Laurie, thanks for your thoughts.  Just to clarify (again) - I made no arguments against voting.  I only sought to make a defense for my own conscience in this matter.  I did not say no Christians should vote and I did not say that non-church politics was meaningless.  Quite the opposite I would say that it is a significant way in which God works out justice in the world, but just because God uses a person or a system doesn&#039;t automatically legitimize them - after all, God used the Roman government to crucify Jesus, but I shudder to think that we would therefore condone it.

To quote myself, &quot;I would say that all those who follow Jesus are given freedom to vote if they choose, but nowhere do I sense that this is an obligation.&quot;  So, to stick with your good analogy - if I am sick and want to go to the doctor, I may freely choose to do so.  But, as one who worships the healer of all creation, this might not have to be my default position.  

I&#039;ll say it another way, or rather let Paul say it another way, in the context of a discussion about matters of conscience, the apostle Paul says, &quot;... everything that does not come from faith is sin.&quot;  (Rom. 14) This is why I did not vote.  Because in my estimation that action, for me, would not have been coming from faith in God - it would have been coming from my faith in non-church politics and a system so compromised that I worry about just how much a role I play in it.  

Laurie, you sound to me like a person who has a stronger conscience in this matter than me and I encourage you in it.  With all sincerity I pray that if God chooses, God will guide me to a place where I can vote and participate in the political realm of the world &quot;in faith,&quot; but until that day comes, I feel like I made the most God-honoring decision that I could. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Laurie, thanks for your thoughts.  Just to clarify (again) &#8211; I made no arguments against voting.  I only sought to make a defense for my own conscience in this matter.  I did not say no Christians should vote and I did not say that non-church politics was meaningless.  Quite the opposite I would say that it is a significant way in which God works out justice in the world, but just because God uses a person or a system doesn&#8217;t automatically legitimize them &#8211; after all, God used the Roman government to crucify Jesus, but I shudder to think that we would therefore condone it.</p>
<p>To quote myself, &#8220;I would say that all those who follow Jesus are given freedom to vote if they choose, but nowhere do I sense that this is an obligation.&#8221;  So, to stick with your good analogy &#8211; if I am sick and want to go to the doctor, I may freely choose to do so.  But, as one who worships the healer of all creation, this might not have to be my default position.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll say it another way, or rather let Paul say it another way, in the context of a discussion about matters of conscience, the apostle Paul says, &#8220;&#8230; everything that does not come from faith is sin.&#8221;  (Rom. 14) This is why I did not vote.  Because in my estimation that action, for me, would not have been coming from faith in God &#8211; it would have been coming from my faith in non-church politics and a system so compromised that I worry about just how much a role I play in it.  </p>
<p>Laurie, you sound to me like a person who has a stronger conscience in this matter than me and I encourage you in it.  With all sincerity I pray that if God chooses, God will guide me to a place where I can vote and participate in the political realm of the world &#8220;in faith,&#8221; but until that day comes, I feel like I made the most God-honoring decision that I could. </p>
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		<title>By: Laurie</title>
		<link>http://lifeasmission.com/blog/2008/11/why-im-not-voting/comment-page-1/#comment-5209</link>
		<dc:creator>Laurie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 04:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that GOD (as opposed to the President or politics) is THE source of healing for the world’s ill, but I don’t think that negates the need for and usefulness of human systems. Because we live in a broken world, we actually need systems to deal with the consequences/chaos that comes from that brokenness.
 
If I’m “hearing” correctly, the primary argument against voting that has been posed in this post and comments is that politics cannot and should not replace the Church’s role of pursuing healing for the world. I definitely agree with that, but I don’t agree that such a distinction should cause us to discount the value of politics. That kind of logic can easily be used to argue against, for example, going to a doctor when you’re sick. In other words, just because God is the ultimate and only true Healer doesn’t mean you don’t need to go to the doctor. 
 
My point is this… Is there not room for both politics and faith to function in their respective roles? &lt;em&gt;Yes, I believe that politics will never be the source of healing for the world’s brokenness. BUT can politics not be a way to manage the chaos in the meantime – WHILE the Church both pursues healing and waits for Christ’s final victory over sin?&lt;/em&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that GOD (as opposed to the President or politics) is THE source of healing for the world’s ill, but I don’t think that negates the need for and usefulness of human systems. Because we live in a broken world, we actually need systems to deal with the consequences/chaos that comes from that brokenness.<br />
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If I’m “hearing” correctly, the primary argument against voting that has been posed in this post and comments is that politics cannot and should not replace the Church’s role of pursuing healing for the world. I definitely agree with that, but I don’t agree that such a distinction should cause us to discount the value of politics. That kind of logic can easily be used to argue against, for example, going to a doctor when you’re sick. In other words, just because God is the ultimate and only true Healer doesn’t mean you don’t need to go to the doctor.<br />
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My point is this… Is there not room for both politics and faith to function in their respective roles? <em>Yes, I believe that politics will never be the source of healing for the world’s brokenness. BUT can politics not be a way to manage the chaos in the meantime – WHILE the Church both pursues healing and waits for Christ’s final victory over sin?</em> </p>
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		<title>By: Dress-Down Friday: Post-Election Edition</title>
		<link>http://lifeasmission.com/blog/2008/11/why-im-not-voting/comment-page-1/#comment-5206</link>
		<dc:creator>Dress-Down Friday: Post-Election Edition</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 19:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Why I&#8217;m Not Voting [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mandy &#38; Lee</title>
		<link>http://lifeasmission.com/blog/2008/11/why-im-not-voting/comment-page-1/#comment-5201</link>
		<dc:creator>Mandy &#38; Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 16:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Goodness, JR! I think some people are in need of a little spooning! (From their SPOUSES!)</description>
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		<title>By: JR Rozko</title>
		<link>http://lifeasmission.com/blog/2008/11/why-im-not-voting/comment-page-1/#comment-5200</link>
		<dc:creator>JR Rozko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 05:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure thing, thanks Becky.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure thing, thanks Becky.</p>
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		<title>By: Becky</title>
		<link>http://lifeasmission.com/blog/2008/11/why-im-not-voting/comment-page-1/#comment-5199</link>
		<dc:creator>Becky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 04:12:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t vote yesterday either. I wish my reason was a result of a well thought out decision making, but it wasn&#039;t. Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t vote yesterday either. I wish my reason was a result of a well thought out decision making, but it wasn&#8217;t. Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us.</p>
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