Comments on: The MOVE: The Journey from Attractional to Missional http://lifeasmission.com/blog/2007/06/the-move-the-journey-from-attractional-to-missional/ exploring the mystery of life and mission as one and the same Mon, 26 Jul 2010 14:58:09 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: lifeasmission » Transitioning Traditional Churches into Missional Ones » exploring the mystery of life and mission as one and the same http://lifeasmission.com/blog/2007/06/the-move-the-journey-from-attractional-to-missional/comment-page-1/#comment-6259 lifeasmission » Transitioning Traditional Churches into Missional Ones » exploring the mystery of life and mission as one and the same Fri, 29 Jan 2010 17:30:00 +0000 http://lifeasmission.com/blog/archives/381#comment-6259 [...] what I think is most helpful.”  For anyone who might have missed them, my posts on, “The Move: The Journey from Attractional to Missional,” and “What is Missional?” would be really helpful in understanding where I am [...] [...] what I think is most helpful.”  For anyone who might have missed them, my posts on, “The Move: The Journey from Attractional to Missional,” and “What is Missional?” would be really helpful in understanding where I am [...]

]]> By: What is Missional? http://lifeasmission.com/blog/2007/06/the-move-the-journey-from-attractional-to-missional/comment-page-1/#comment-4941 What is Missional? Mon, 23 Jun 2008 13:49:44 +0000 http://lifeasmission.com/blog/archives/381#comment-4941 [...] not only for churches, but for centers of theological education as well.  Being missional is no mere enhanced focus on reaching people, being relevant, or even focusing outside the “four ... It is not the newest or coolest church model.  It is probably not an overstatement to say that to [...] [...] not only for churches, but for centers of theological education as well.  Being missional is no mere enhanced focus on reaching people, being relevant, or even focusing outside the “four … It is not the newest or coolest church model.  It is probably not an overstatement to say that to [...]

]]> By: JR Rozko http://lifeasmission.com/blog/2007/06/the-move-the-journey-from-attractional-to-missional/comment-page-1/#comment-4610 JR Rozko Sat, 09 Jun 2007 23:34:00 +0000 http://lifeasmission.com/blog/archives/381#comment-4610 Rick, Yeah, I think that's a terrific to begin to understand what it means to be a missional church. I caught Greg's sermon from last Sunday and was happy to hear him talk about something in that regard. What I am driving at in this post, however, is that for those churches who haven't thought that way previously, the transition isn't a straight forward movement. Rather, that sort of mindset, if it's rightly understood anyway, emerges from an understanding of salvation and the gospel that is quite different from those which result in an attrational model of church. So, to be true to the movement from one understanding to the other, a lot of hard work needs to be done first. Let me try and explain what I mean with an example. Let's say I am a hot-shot, powerful and successful attorney. Some young kid is looking to follow in my footsteps, so I take him under my wing and teach him everything I know about law - how to win and how to move up the corporate ladder with expediency and style. This kid, after years of following and shadowing me begins to experience all I promesed him, he's well on his way to achieving everything I have ever led him to believe equates with greatness in the field of law. Then, one day quite suddenly, I have some sort of experience or relaization that what I thought was success isn't. And everything I did to get to where I'm at really misses the point of what it ACTUALLY means to be a great lawyer. My world is flipped upside down and I am forced to figure out what to make not only of my future, but of my present and past as well. What am I supposed to do with this kid who's invested his life in and developed his identity by learning from me. Am I just suppoed to say, "Well, I think I've missed something here, but no matter, on to what now seems right to me?" This kid would be ruined. Instead, if he's even willing to trust me anymore, I would need to walk with him through a process of rethinking and unlearning. I would need to apologize for steering him wrong and invite him on a journey into personally uncharted waters with me. This is my hope for those churches looking to effectively and faithfully transition from attractional (a form of church which emerges from believeing that the gospel is something to be assented to) to missional (a form of church which emerges from believing that the gospel is something to be participated in). Any help? Rick,

Yeah, I think that’s a terrific to begin to understand what it means to be a missional church. I caught Greg’s sermon from last Sunday and was happy to hear him talk about something in that regard. What I am driving at in this post, however, is that for those churches who haven’t thought that way previously, the transition isn’t a straight forward movement. Rather, that sort of mindset, if it’s rightly understood anyway, emerges from an understanding of salvation and the gospel that is quite different from those which result in an attrational model of church. So, to be true to the movement from one understanding to the other, a lot of hard work needs to be done first.

Let me try and explain what I mean with an example.

Let’s say I am a hot-shot, powerful and successful attorney. Some young kid is looking to follow in my footsteps, so I take him under my wing and teach him everything I know about law – how to win and how to move up the corporate ladder with expediency and style. This kid, after years of following and shadowing me begins to experience all I promesed him, he’s well on his way to achieving everything I have ever led him to believe equates with greatness in the field of law.

Then, one day quite suddenly, I have some sort of experience or relaization that what I thought was success isn’t. And everything I did to get to where I’m at really misses the point of what it ACTUALLY means to be a great lawyer. My world is flipped upside down and I am forced to figure out what to make not only of my future, but of my present and past as well.

What am I supposed to do with this kid who’s invested his life in and developed his identity by learning from me. Am I just suppoed to say, “Well, I think I’ve missed something here, but no matter, on to what now seems right to me?” This kid would be ruined.

Instead, if he’s even willing to trust me anymore, I would need to walk with him through a process of rethinking and unlearning. I would need to apologize for steering him wrong and invite him on a journey into personally uncharted waters with me.

This is my hope for those churches looking to effectively and faithfully transition from attractional (a form of church which emerges from believeing that the gospel is something to be assented to) to missional (a form of church which emerges from believing that the gospel is something to be participated in).

Any help?

]]> By: Rick Royer http://lifeasmission.com/blog/2007/06/the-move-the-journey-from-attractional-to-missional/comment-page-1/#comment-4609 Rick Royer Sat, 09 Jun 2007 01:31:30 +0000 http://lifeasmission.com/blog/archives/381#comment-4609 Bro, Even though you are still using too many words that end in "al" (missionAL, attractionAL ) for this uneducated yankee I still love ya. Anyway, as you know, I attend an attractional church. And as I think about what it means to be missional I wonder what you think about this: Could missional, in it's purest, simplest form as it relates to the way of Jesus, mean that if we or I or a church were gone, someone would actually miss us? By that I mean that I/we/it is having such a real and profound impact in someone's life we would be truly missed if we were not here? I think of what the disciples went through between Jesus' crucifixion and resurrection. That had to be incredible. I mean here are some guys, probably teenagers, that didn't make the cut in following a rabbi so they were learning the family business or collecting taxes or something, then along comes this rebel rabbi that tells them to "follow me" and then he pours the last 3 years of his life into them. Bro,
Even though you are still using too many words that end in “al” (missionAL, attractionAL ) for this uneducated yankee I still love ya. Anyway, as you know, I attend an attractional church. And as I think about what it means to be missional I wonder what you think about this: Could missional, in it’s purest, simplest form as it relates to the way of Jesus, mean that if we or I or a church were gone, someone would actually miss us? By that I mean that I/we/it is having such a real and profound impact in someone’s life we would be truly missed if we were not here? I think of what the disciples went through between Jesus’ crucifixion and resurrection. That had to be incredible. I mean here are some guys, probably teenagers, that didn’t make the cut in following a rabbi so they were learning the family business or collecting taxes or something, then along comes this rebel rabbi that tells them to “follow me” and then he pours the last 3 years of his life into them.

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